October 4, 2023
Life On The Spectrum - Kaileigh Russelburg
Show Notes
Kaileigh Russelburg is a special needs mom of a 4 year old little boy who has 5q15 Chromosome Deletion, Bosch Boonstra Schaaf Optic Atrophy accompanied with Autism. She a stays at home mom and want to share her story.
Bosch-Boonstra-Schaaf Optic Atrophy Syndrome (BBSOAS) is a rare genetic disorder characterized by visual problems and cognitive difficulties. It is caused by mutations in the NR2F1 gene, which plays a role in the development of multiple organs and systems in the body. The visual problems associated with BBSOAS include optic atrophy, which is the degeneration of the optic nerve that leads to a gradual loss of vision. Individuals with BBSOAS may also have nystagmus, which is an involuntary movement of the eyes, and strabismus, which is a misalignment of the eyes.
The cognitive difficulties associated with BBSOAS can range from mild to severe and can include learning disabilities, intellectual disability, and behavioral problems. Many individuals with BBSOAS also have speech and language difficulties, including delayed speech development and difficulty with articulation. BBSOAS is a rare condition, and its exact prevalence is unknown. It appears to affect males and females equally, and the severity of the condition can vary even among individuals with the same genetic mutation. There is currently no cure for BBSOAS, and treatment is focused on managing symptoms.
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Chad Ratliffe 00:00
What do you think about all this stuff? Just all the stuff that we have to deal with? And then we have to figure out how to be okay with all of it like, what do you think about it all? How has it happened and what's going on?
Kaileigh 00:12
I think about that all the time I step back and ask myself, I'm just like, wow, this has been a while. I think it's crazy. But I take it one day at a time and try to push through because I know at the end of the day, I gotta do that for Dawson. To be strong for him.
Chad Ratliffe 00:29
Do you have any kind of beliefs that help understand what's going on? Like, there's anything that sort of,
Kaileigh 00:37
I pray a lot? For sure. Just prayer and just hope for the future and that I have to realize that I'm not the one in control. Life was not promised to be easy, but luckily, we have in to walk with us. Yes, have faith.
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Chad Ratliffe 01:30
On today's show, we'll be discussing life on the spectrum. Hello naked parent nation and welcome to today's episode of The Naked parent podcast. My name is Chad ratliffe. And I'm your host and before I introduce you to our guests today, let me start by sharing a message from naked parent nation. Naked parent nations a worldwide community of parents and professionals raising children with all kinds of needs. We come together to share Naked Truth, support our fellow parents and inspire the inner growth that each of us needs to build the life and family of our dreams. For the parents that are struggling, we want you to know that we will love you until you can love yourself.
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We have the power to create any kind of life we want for ourselves in our families. We do this by living in the naked President moment, one day at a time. If this is your first time connecting with us, I hope you feel the love that's here for you. Together we walk different paths side by side. And as we do before we get to our guests and her story. We do a little grounding exercise, a little meditation just to kind of take time out and get in the practice of making that time for self care for breathing for going inside. So wherever you are, if you want to get comfortable, if you're sitting if you want to sit up straight with your chin parallel to the ground, let your eyes just fall closed and then lift your gaze up to that space between your eyebrow. The spiritual eye and feel what you feel.
Feel if there's any sensations in your body or your toes tingling. Do you have any pain anywhere? Do you feel temperature Do you feel hot? Or do you feel cold? Take in your body. One of the things with naked parenting is we work on the inside rather than the outside. Of course we have a lot to do outside with our children and with life But the victory is when the inside is in good order. The time we spend trying to get the outside world to look a certain way, so life can be okay. When we have no control of so much out there, but inside, that's your domain. It's your place. And if you can get your inside, feeling good, if you can get connected with the highest part of your being then you can be okay. Anytime all the time it takes work. It's not it's not. It's easy. And it's hard. Or it's easy and it takes work. Before we come out of this little moment, give yourself love, make sure you give yourself plenty of love.
Appreciate the effort that you make. Appreciate the person that you are. And know there's love for you. From yourself, from me, from our community. And when your spirit feels like it's in a good place you can open your eyes come back into the space. And just remember that it doesn't take long to reset yourself sometimes. And it's an amazing tool and journey for me and I hope that you can find some of the benefits that I have. But I'm excited to get to our guest today. Her name is Kaylee Russell Berg. She is the mom of a four year old boy. And she's a stay at home mom. She's here to share her story so generous of her time and her heart. So Kaylee, welcome to the show. Thank you for being with us.
Kaileigh 07:53
Thank you for having me on.
Chad Ratliffe 07:55
So part of the story about you consists of details about your boy and a lot of them. I felt like I was going to butcher if I tried to explain. So can you share a little bit about you, your boy, you're kind of what your home life looks like so that the listeners can get to know you a little bit better. And then tell us kind of what you're dealing with with regards to your boy and his unique pneus.
Kaileigh 08:26
Yes, so I'm Kaylee. I'm 27 I had my son. He's four years old now. We noticed that he wasn't reaching milestones just kept getting further and further behind. Come to find out we did genetic testing. And he has something called Bosch beemster Shoff syndrome. So he's missing the long arm of his five key 15 DNA on the helix strands so the NR two F one is a gene within the five key 15 DNA strand that he doesn't have. So we've been lucky to find the NR two F one foundation and found out that that's where the autism comes in just a lot of symptoms that we had been noticing it all came together whenever we found out that he had that diagnosis, but I am a stay at home mom he has a lot of doctor's appointments there appease things like that he is an at UC pre K program. That has been phenomenal. But other than that was just you explained ECE Exceptional Children,
Chad Ratliffe 09:36
Exceptional Children,
Kaileigh 09:38
children program pre K program is through the school system
Chad Ratliffe 09:42
is the genetic is this five q 15. Is that something that's rare or do you think that there's more people that have that just don't realize it?
Kaileigh 09:51
So it's extremely rare right now? I think the current count is probably 150 worldwide. I believe that's the number that's What I found on the NR two F one website, but Boschman Schritten. Shaw are actually the doctors that found this mutation, I guess you would say it is, or variant of the gene. Wow, that's,
Chad Ratliffe 10:14
I mean, that is really rare.
Kaileigh 10:16
Very, he has a super high pain tolerance. So pain just kind of non existent, he gets shots, he gets blood taken, he falls, it doesn't really affect them. So and his speech is very, he can say mama and BA. That's about it. Other than that, we're working with sign language and trying to get a AAC device.
Chad Ratliffe 10:41
How, how did this diagnosis come about? Is there something specific other than autism that triggers a person to look for this?
Kaileigh 10:51
Just the genetic testing, they did a microarray and because of all the symptoms with him, like he didn't sit up by himself to almost a year old. And then the not talking the high pain tolerance, things like that just kind of led to genetics, we got to genetics get the microarray back, we actually found out he had the five p 15. Deletion, it wasn't until this year that we found out that he's missing the NR two F one gene. And that's where the Bosch Bucha Shoff. It came into the picture.
Chad Ratliffe 11:25
Wow. So when you get a genetic test, I haven't done this. But when you get a genetic test, I mean, is it they can see that right away that that something's missing? I mean, how does that. So
Kaileigh 11:35
it seems it took weeks to figure that out. So it gets sent to a lab this, the first one was a blood draw, got sent to the lab, they somehow will look at the DNA strands. And then this past one where we found out he's missing his in our two F one, they did a mouth swab, and it took probably a month or two to come back.
Chad Ratliffe 11:57
Is there a specific protocol for this particular DNA? Is there something that you have to look out for? Is there something that you have to do to care for him in a different way? Or is it just something that you're now aware of,
Kaileigh 12:13
is just something that I'm now aware of, and I did notice, like even now, his depth perception is very off. So I always thought that maybe it was like he was in physical therapy, it had something to do, he does have hypotonia. So the low muscle tone, things like that about that's why he tripped a lot. Still at four years old, like I'm really having to give him assistance going downstairs. But come to find out it is optic atrophy. So his vision is 20 150. But corrective lenses won't fix it because of the optic nerve being small and pale. So glasses can't fix that how your brain perceives the picture. How young
Chad Ratliffe 12:56
was he? When you realize something didn't seem like it was going the way you thought it should go?
Kaileigh 13:04
So just within the first year, I mean, even in the hospital, he didn't cry, he would grow a lot. So as a baby, he would do a lot of hand following things like that just I had worked in childcare prior to having Dawson. And something always seemed a little off not typical. And my husband, he hadn't had any prior experience other than like his sister. He has a younger sister, but she's typical. And he told me one day he was like, I think we have something going on here like that's more that we're not seeing. So he was concerned just from the beginning.
Chad Ratliffe 13:43
And how did you respond to him?
Kaileigh 13:45
I agreed. I knew I was also holding more fluid throughout pregnancy. So like I went into the or I had a C section. And I'll drop 30 pounds like that, like from the fluid. It was a crazy amount of fluid. Wow. And so it took him about 45 minutes to get him like he never cried. So they were really concerned like Is he breathing? Okay, he did swallow some amniotic fluid. I felt the same way I thought the knock crying things like that. It just wasn't typical for what I had seen in the early childhood setting.
Chad Ratliffe 14:22
How are you and dad dealing with this emotionally like as it's as you're learning and it's becoming more real like what's been your experience emotionally.
Kaileigh 14:36
So we take it day by day we are definitely do it ourself. We love projects, just updating our home Dawson has a sensory bedroom. So you've got a tent. He's got the hopefully he's getting a safety that's in but he has a tent in his bed. He has a trampoline. We just try to do honestly we're trying to make our home kind of In oasis for ourselves, because of the fact that it is so hard to go out like in public, it is hard to go on vacation, things like that. So we have a pool outside for Dawson, that is his height that is like 32 inches tall, that giving him tools that meet his needs, so that it can hopefully let life move a little smoother for us.
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I love that. Yeah, I
Chad Ratliffe 15:24
love that, you know, I feel sensitive for people who don't maybe have the ability to have that kind of space or, or to be able to put those things together. But we, I've spent so much energy trying to get like in the meditation, trying to get the outside to fit and, and it doesn't fit whatever, what all the other kids are doing. I mean, we're talking about the difference between neurotypical versus neurodivergent. And it's different, and they have different needs. And while that sounds cool, I hope when you're done, maybe you're share some pictures with us or something and give us some ideas on you're sure that people can do that'd be cool.
Kaileigh 16:02
Yes, definitely. Anything.
Chad Ratliffe 16:06
I mean, I fell into depression. I mean, I was angry. I felt sorry for myself. I mean, I went through a lot of those things have, did you have some of those experiences
Kaileigh 16:18
majorly? Yes, for sure. I felt like I was grieving a child that I thought I was gonna have. And that's not the case. My husband still hasn't heard daddy yet in fact, often calls him mama now, within the last few months, who started calling him he recognizes him as mama that sports Alex afford to T ball and football, things like that. And I just had to realize that that wasn't going to be the case for us. Speaking of we just got him a little power Will's like a little four wheeler because he loves trucks and cars and anything with a motor. And I look at it and think, Well, he has optic atrophy. He's probably never gonna get his license. We don't know. You know, I mean, that's just not going to be possible. We get it for him. The first day he goes out there, he doesn't quite understand the concept. You know, like he, he likes that it goes broom broom and things, but he doesn't have like the control over it as a typical childhood. That was a little heartbreaking. Because I was just like, wow, the smallest things like you don't realize they really pull at your heartstrings.
Chad Ratliffe 17:24
Yes, yeah, no, I mean, I've done like a lot of work. I mean, I still is certain things just makes me my son's 15. And certain things make me emotional. I mean, when somebody one of the things that I could cry out on the spot is like, I don't know, if my son's doing, if he's happy or not, like I like to be a parent and not know if your child is okay. Is it's kind of heartbreaking to me. And it's been that's one of the biggest challenges for me is, you know, as a parent, you want to know your child's okay, I don't know if he's depressed, or if he's somewhere inside saying, hell, you know, stop putting that on, you know, TV or I hate bla bla bla. And so that's been difficult. How have you guys dealt with these unexpected challenges and just the emotion that comes along with it?
Kaileigh 18:22
I, my husband, he is my biggest supporter. So I'll talk to him a lot about it. And he has such a calming effect. He tells me he's like, yes, although we have, I wouldn't call him let downs. These obstacles in life. Look at what we do have look at what we've been given. When Dawson walks in a room, he lights it up his smile. He says goofy, it's just to be thankful for what we do have.
Chad Ratliffe 18:51
Yeah. I hope that the couples out there or the into the parents who are still in relationships out there, hear what you just said, because I think that's so important. And when you throw a Nast in at person, you know, it's a difficult thing for couples to make it through. Because it's so challenging that like you're kind of looking for somebody to blame or some relief, and I think it has, it often goes to the person you're closest with. And they say 80% of marriages that have special needs children and in divorce. And tomorrow I have this like mediation thing I'm in I've been in a nasty divorce for five and a half years. Wow. The stress that that brings, I mean, we need everything on our side to be able to deal with this. We'd need the support and the love and the calming. And so for all for the parents out there that heard what you just said, like I pray that we can be kinder to Our loved ones and those that are there with us. And I It warms my heart to hear that you have that support. I'm so what a guy What a guy?
Kaileigh 20:11
Yes is it's been a rough ride. In fact, I was seven months pregnant with Dawson, doing comes home from work, his face was so pale. I was like, we've got to get you to the doctor. I don't know what's going on, we get to urgent care, and he is going into cardiac arrest. So yes, he has been tricular tachycardia. And so that's something we're also looking forward to Austin, just to make sure, hopefully, he doesn't develop that. So he has a lot of health problems as well. He has Crohn's disease, so but he still provides for our family and gets up every day, no matter how he's feeling. And I'm so grateful for that.
Chad Ratliffe 20:53
That's awesome. That's awesome. What do you think about all this stuff? Just all the stuff that we have to deal with? And then, and then we have to figure out how to be okay with all of it. Like, what, what do you think about it all? How has it happened? And what's going on?
Kaileigh 21:10
I think about that all the time, I step back and ask myself, I'm just like, wow, this has been a while. I think it's crazy. But I take it, I take it one day at a time and try to push through because I know at the end of the day, I gotta do that for Dawson. I'm gonna be strong for him. Do you
Chad Ratliffe 21:28
have any kind of beliefs that help understand what's going on? Like it says, anything that sort of does that question makes sense? I pray
Kaileigh 21:38
a lot. For sure. Just prayer and just hope for the future. And that I have to realize that I'm not the one in control. And so life was not promised to be easy. But luckily, we have in to walk with us. You just have faith.
Chad Ratliffe 21:58
Do you believe there's a victory to this? Do you believe there's a better place? Do you believe that we're kind of growing and evolving in a way that one day it will be different? Or it will be sort of equalizer rectified?
Kaileigh 22:20
Yes. As in, like at the end of life? Like, hopefully we all go to heaven, and it's victorious. And all the struggles from here on Earth? It'll be worth it in the end. I guess. I don't know if that's what you would say you believe it? Yeah, I definitely believe that.
Chad Ratliffe 22:40
That must help. Yes, it does.
Kaileigh 22:43
If I if it weren't for my faith, then. Yeah, I don't know how I would get through. I pray a lot. And I try to take this as not necessarily a lesson in life. But as a gift, I guess, because I wouldn't be the person I am today. If it weren't for being Dawson's mom, and learning what I've learned. And I feel like I have so much more compassion towards people and getting in other people's shoes. And not judging, I guess, as much as I probably would have prior to having Dawson. I love that
Chad Ratliffe 23:23
as beautiful. I also have, you know, I believe we're growing and evolving. And another thing that I this naked parenting philosophy that is evolving and coming together, it's I often think about if we didn't see anything else, if all we saw was DOS, you know, your child and my children, and we didn't know any different? How would it be? You know, would I be as would it? Would it be as catastrophic or disappointing? Or? Or would I be able to see more of the positives because I wouldn't be missing the fact that it's not going to play football or basketball or we're not going to go to the soccer because I don't know about it right? What makes it hard as I know about all my friends are at the soccer field cheering for their kids. And so I try to remember that a lot. Yes, and then just like you said, to look for, look for the positives because there's so much and it's just easy to to get kind of looking the wrong way. I love your quote from Dr. Seuss. You say why fit in when you were born to stand out?
Kaileigh 24:49
Yes, that is my favorite quote.
Chad Ratliffe 24:52
I love it. All right. How do we create a better world for our special needs children? What are some things is that we need to do? It sounds like you're doing a lot at home, which is awesome. What do we need to do outside the home to make a better world for our
Kaileigh 25:08
I feel like advocacy, educating others on it, having a world that not necessarily they can fit into as well. But making an adaptation adaptations, just making it more accessible to the special needs community. So offering tools, like I love how I see the stores, especially here in my hometown, they'll like start early and have a sensory our, to where it's not like sensory overload. Something I've seen recently is the pic boards, like the pitcher boards at the parks, things like that, if we I would love to have one of those in our hometown, where Dawson could go up and like, pointed to pictures and show me things like that just making the world accessible to them, and not trying to make them fit into a box that they weren't made to, like they're made to stand out, you know, I mean, we all are. But why expect them to fit into our about like, it just doesn't work?
Chad Ratliffe 26:10
Yeah, I like that. Sometimes our hearts in the right place. They talk about wanting, you know, the getting, when I was growing up the special needs class was the corner classroom in the school that nobody talked to, they had a different bathroom break, they were, you know, they were like a different species, you know, whereas today, they're trying to have inclusion and stuff. But the word saying the word and having them in the same class isn't enough, right? Trying to get them to fit and sit in the seat that they weren't in Yeah. So that they can be included. Your heart's in the right place, but the execution is, is way off. And I think we need to get better at the execution and come up with more ideas. So I like you bringing that just kind of on a day to day basis. How do you and your husband care? For yourselves? Do you make time for yourself or to be together? Or are you just putting out fires and, and trying to,
Kaileigh 27:11
it's a little bit of work. So luckily, he is in school from Monday through Friday, doing my husband, he works second slash third shift. So he's home during the day. So we try to get house projects done, maybe go to lunch together, just make time for each other, make sure that relationships strong so that we can be we can model a strong relationship for Dawson, and be strong for each other. So we do that Saturday nights when Dawson is asleep, we will the little bit that he does sleep. We try to watch a movie together or just hanging out on the front porch, just something to spend that time together. And we also have our own things like he loves to work on engines and woodwork and stuff like that. So he has that. And I've started making some like bracelets and stuff recently some keychains, things like that, because we want to go to a conference for Dawson for the NRA to form Foundation. And it's expensive. It's in his knee. So stuff like that. And the energy of one like they don't get a lot of funding. I mean, they're so small. So the profits that I make from that something that I enjoy doing can intern like, if I sell someone a craft show or whatever, I can put that towards Disney and the tickets to go to meet other families who have children like Dawson, and then also give to the NRF one because the more research they do, the more answers that we get.
Chad Ratliffe 28:39
That's awesome. I think that's huge. I hope you don't make little of that. I think we all need to have outlets like that. And you sound so mature for that. For 27. You guys just like your kids lucky to have parents like you guys, not everybody's like you. And thank you. Yes, sounds like you're doing an awesome job. We do like a lightning round just to get more of your thoughts and story where you kind of give one word to one sentence answer to a few questions. Are you up for it? Yes. Okay, and there's no wrong answer. And you can say as many words as you want, but just you get the idea. What's the best advice you have received?
Kaileigh 29:27
Take it one day at a time.
Chad Ratliffe 29:30
What kind of course or retreat or training would you like to see for parents?
Kaileigh 29:36
I would like to learn more about the genetics aspect and how that plays a role into this into autism Special Needs Indian cool.
Chad Ratliffe 29:44
What's the next thing on your list that you want to add for your individual well being?
Kaileigh 29:49
I would like to have more children. I am we've been cleared by genetics and found out that it's a less than 1% Chance knock on wood, but it would be great to have siblings But often,
Chad Ratliffe 30:00
that's awesome that you were able to get that information to have to remove to remove that concern. Yes, or as much as possible. But that 99% It shouldn't be a non issue, I hope. What's one thing you think would improve your life? If you did it? Or had it
Kaileigh 30:21
a communication tablet for adoption? Which we're working on?
Chad Ratliffe 30:25
Do you have a favorite product that you use for yourself or your child or your family that you just love and couldn't live without?
Kaileigh 30:32
Amazon Fire tablet? That can save the day and meltdowns sometimes?
Chad Ratliffe 30:38
Yes. Do you have a top resource or recommendation to share with other parents?
Kaileigh 30:45
Talk to me technologies. If you're looking for an AAC device for your child, they have been phenomenal. We're still in the works of it. But they have really been on it.
Chad Ratliffe 30:56
Talk to me technology. So that's the communication through the tablet.
Kaileigh 31:00
Yes, insurance does cover you'll do a trial period. We're about to enter our trial period. And then to figure out which software is going to work best for Dawson, and then insurance will cover should cover the tablet.
Chad Ratliffe 31:13
So there's, well, I didn't know that insurance covers the tablet. Do they cover the software?
Kaileigh 31:19
Yes, as far as I know, they do. But they have different options that comes with a keyguard accessory. Like different sized screens. They have been phenomenal, very quick to, to get back to me. So I've been working with Dawson speech therapist, and a guy named Nicholas from top to me technologies. And they've been phenomenal, very responsive.
Chad Ratliffe 31:43
Wow, I think that's an amazing recommendation and resource here that parents listening, check with your insurance company and get a tablet and talk to me technologies. If you want to work on communication through that medium. I appreciate you taking the time with us today and sharing your story and sharing your heart and having gone through so much. And then and the way you present yourself is very, I have very high regard for how you present and how you're hanging in there and how you guys are rising to the occasion. Thank you. Yeah, just in closing, what do you say to the parent who just got the diagnosis, and said, I can't do this,
Kaileigh 32:33
to see the light to see what this is going the lessons that you can learn and know that you're not going to be perfect at it. And that's okay. Just take one day at a time. And it'll start flowing for you.
Chad Ratliffe 32:50
Yeah, I'm glad you guys have your faith. I think we're all raising our consciousness in doing this work. And we're all getting, we're all growing and becoming better beings by doing this work. So give your husband a fist bump for me. And tell him I think is pretty cool. What I heard about him today. Thank you for being on the show. And let's connect down the road and stay connected and do this journey together rather than alone. Okay,
Kaileigh 33:20
for sure. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks, Kaylee.
Chad Ratliffe 33:22
Have a great rest of your day. Okay,
Kaileigh 33:25
85.
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