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"I want to be on this podcast because I want to inspire others and remind them they aren't alone.  I felt so alone getting my son's diagnosis in 2020 and no one seemed to understand.  My circle became smaller and I felt safer at home.  I isolated myself and became very depressed.  I am still getting stronger every day and actually start Iowa Family Leadership Training Institute on March 4, 2023, through the University of Iowa."

 

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Sarah, Chad Ratliffe

 

Sarah  00:00

I thought autism right away I thought special needs right away. Just with the research. I did so much research and so much reading. And you know, I didn't want to go down a Web MD hole. So I reached out to my primary care physician, and they said he looked good on paper, which I didn't agree with, you know, the paper. Sure, but real life I know there's something different. Something's up.

 

00:23

Welcome to the daily naked parent podcast brought to you by Rocco blue. The first ever brand focused on supporting parents with special needs children. A good parent nation is a group of parents with special needs children, who are willing to give honorable, stripped it all down and take a look at ourselves, our parents, our family, and our plans create a life beyond our wildest dreams.

 

Chad Ratliffe  00:57

On today's show, we'll be discussing loneliness, isolation, depression, and the pathway out hello naked parent nation and welcome to today's episode of The Naked parent podcast. My name is Chad ratliffe, and I'm your host. Before I introduce you to our guests today, let me start by sharing the naked parent nation offering make it parent nations a worldwide community of parents and professionals raising children with all kinds of needs. We come together to share Naked Truth support our fellow parents, and inspire the inner growth that each of us needs to build the life and family of our dreams.

 

For the parents that are struggling, we want you to know that we will love you until you can love yourself, for your children, we pray and send power from our collective group. As we come to understand our divine nature, we realize that there's no need to feel sorry for ourselves, be angry or feel lack, we come to understand that our feelings of limitation and separation are only in our minds. Through Self Realization, we expand our consciousness so that the challenges that perplex us today, dissipate one by one until we're able to see and experience gratitude and beauty and everything just as it is. We have the power to create any kind of life we want for ourselves and our families.

 

We do this by living in the naked present moment, one day at a time. So if you're ready to take back your life, or just continue your journey of awareness and consciousness, then let me welcome you to naked parent nation and the naked parent podcast. On today's show, we have Sarah haberle, who's a mom wants to inspire others, and remind them that they are not alone. Following her son's diagnosis in 2020. She felt alone and misunderstood. Her circle became smaller and smaller, and she just felt safer at home. As her depression grew, she started isolating herself and her son committed to creating a better life. She started making small positive steps on a daily basis. Little by little she got stronger and stronger. Light started coming back into her family's life, leading her to a family leadership training program at the University of Iowa. Sara did I get that right? Welcome to the show.

 

Sarah  03:22

Thank you. Thank you for having me. And yes, you did. It was a very lonely road at first, but we're making positive steps and we're getting back out there.

 

Chad Ratliffe  03:31

That's awesome. So 2020 You got the diagnosis, how old is your son at that point?

 

Sarah  03:39

He was two when he got his diagnosis you turned to in February of 2020. And I started reaching out and I started going forward with trying to get the diagnosis in 2019. Because at the end of 2019, probably November, December, I started seeing really big signs and really big keys. But it wasn't until October of 2020 I actually got the official diagnosis and it was a battle. It was hard, where the

 

Chad Ratliffe  04:08

signs clear or were like what kind Can you recall some of the things that you were seeing that didn't seem right.

 

Sarah  04:17

So what didn't seem right is he wasn't talking and I noticed a bunch of aggression not just to other people but to himself. And he was hitting his head on the walls and the floor. And he was screaming so loud, and you just I couldn't figure out why he was screaming and you know why he didn't really have words. He said mom, but that was the only word he had, which I felt was kind of, you know, normal ish, you know, guys, older brothers who talk for him and and mom just knows what he's trying to communicate but the aggression and the heightened squeals and then with you know, social isolation, he didn't want to play with other kids. He didn't want people to touch his stuff he isolated himself from everybody else and just wanted to sit away. He just wanted to be away. And between the aggression and the social isolation, I just felt that there was something more there.

 

Chad Ratliffe  05:12

And so this wasn't your first journey. As a mom.

 

Sarah  05:16

I am a bonus mom to two wonderful children Trevin he will be 19 at the end of April, and trade and just turned 14 in January. I mean, I did not birth them. Oh, I love them so much. And my husband had full custody when we got together 11 years ago. So I've kind of fulfilled the spots where mom wasn't their meal. Mom, you know, we split weekends, so, so Monday through Friday, and then our weekends, they were with me. And then the other weekends, they were with their moms. So I'm a bonus mom. And

 

Chad Ratliffe  05:50

yeah, that's awesome. But this was your first time with at that age? Yes. Seen a one year old? And but it just seemed like something was off?

 

Sarah  06:04

Yes. And then just when he we said his name like he wouldn't really address us there was no eye contact. He did more with me, because I'm mom and I'm safe place. But if anybody were to say his name, they would he would just not look at him. So we've had his hearing tested several times.

 

Chad Ratliffe  06:21

And are you thinking special needs at this point? Are you just not sure? Where's your head at this time?

 

Sarah  06:27

I thought autism right away, I thought special needs right away. Just with the research. I did so much research and so much reading. And you know, I didn't want to go down a Web MD hole. So I reached out to my primary care physician. And they said he looked good on paper, which I didn't agree with, you know, the paper. Sure, but real life I know there's something different, something's up. Did they

 

Chad Ratliffe  06:51

give you referrals to where you needed to go? Or was that a bit of a struggle? Or how did that go?

 

Sarah  06:57

That was a struggle. I literally fought tooth and nail and I demanded and I demanded. And then finally I got a referral to an ear, nose and throat even though we had already done the hearing tests, we had already, you know, done all the paper tests. So we went and did another one. And that ear nose and throat specialist said your son can hear the test was inconclusive because he doesn't like things on his head or his ears. He's one of his diagnosis is sensory processing disorder. So he is not a fan of things on his head. They could never get a conclusive test. But the ear nose and throat specialist in April of 2020, confirmed my son is not deaf, my son can hear and asked me what I wanted. And I said I would just really love a referral because I truly believe in my heart. My son has autism, and nobody's listening to me. And she said that she cannot diagnose because that's not her specialty. But she said she wouldn't doubt that I wasn't wrong. She felt like I was right, because she'd seen it so many times. So she gave me that referral. And I sent it to blanks into Moines and I called every day and I said the minute you can get my son in, I will be there. I will take off that morning and I will be there. It's about an hour and a half drive. And I called every day, my appointment wasn't until January of 2021 2022. Called every day and eventually, October 26 2020. I got in.

 

Chad Ratliffe  08:24

Wow. I just want to like highlight this for the parents that are listening out there. Because this is such a common story. And pediatricians are saying delay. And parents are leaving with a little bit of hope knowing that it doesn't feel right, but and then years pass and I don't know why people are making it so difficult. But it seems like we need to highlight that if you know that there's something with your child that does write that you have to do whatever it takes to get that referral to get a specialist to talk to you. So I'm glad that you make are making a point because it's a huge step in this process of becoming a parent of a special needs child and giving them what they need to thrive.

 

Sarah  09:14

Yeah, and I don't think we would be with where we are today with him and how far he has grown. Without that wick pushing and and that diagnosis at an early age. I just truly do not believe that he would be where he's at today without that diagnosis. And like you said if you feel it, push for it. Do not take no for an answer. You just need to have a lot of pivots and a lot of a lot of movement into the right direction.

 

Chad Ratliffe  09:42

Yeah. So your worlds rocked. you're a new mom which rocks every woman's world maybe postpartum maybe not I don't know that was a story for my kids mom, and then you get the special needs diagnosis. You know atomic bomb number two enters the picture, depression, isolation, all that stuff? What did life become for you in that place in time?

 

Sarah  10:13

So not only were we isolated because 2020 You know, COVID everything. But when we could start going out with people, you know, and we'd get invited to things, all I could think of is, okay is Tatum going to have a reaction is something going to go wrong that we're going to have to leave. So we just didn't go. And I felt like I was pulling myself away from who I was, because I'm a very social person, I'm a very active person, even walks, I couldn't, you know, unless he was in a stroller, we couldn't do walks, because I didn't know if he was going to have a moment where I didn't understand him and he was going to snack his head on the concrete. So grocery shopping, anything like that I had to call in my orders, or I had to take time to just go by myself, I couldn't take him because it was just too much, you know. And when I'm in the grocery store or shopping with him when he's having a meltdown, the looks are just absolutely astronomical. And I had somebody actually confront me about my child and how I don't discipline my child. Those were just some hard things for me. Prior to having Tatum, I was a personal fitness instructor. I taught fitness classes, well, you know, my husband works nights. And you can't get a babysitter for a special needs child with a communication barrier, because it's anxiety. At that point. I couldn't, you know, he wasn't there. And I felt like I was setting him up for failure. And so it was just, you know, I had to be with him all the time, I needed to make sure he was taken care of properly, I needed to make sure his needs and wants were met. And my life just got put on hold. And that's what you do as a bomb as a parent as a dad, like, you put your life on hold for your children. And I think that people telling me, Well, when I had a child, I did this. Okay, cool, Karen, I'm glad you could do those things. But my child comes first. So I'm not just gonna take him and put him in a situation that's not good for either of us.

 

Chad Ratliffe  12:14

Yeah, that's about just as fun as you know, all kids with autism are geniuses, you know, like, Well, my son's eating his own feces. You know, I always love that one. It's a very lonely time. And the other thing is, yes, you do. As a parent, that's your job. But every minute of every day, having to be on is so overwhelming. It's almost impossible to do without going absolutely batshit crazy. How did you make it through that time period,

 

Sarah  12:50

I kind of just, I read, I bought myself a treadmill, and I did my workouts at home, I just I tried to do other things, you know, take some time for for myself. And then I started reaching out to my friends and I worked it out with my husband, and I'm like, you know, I'm leaving, you can't have anything going on. Because I had tried sitters and they didn't work. So either my husband, myself or my mom, or my in laws, they were the primary tribe for my son. But I set it up once a month, I was going out for an hour and a half, you know, with my girlfriends, I'm able to talk to them. That was early on. Now it's more frequent. Now. It's probably once every other week, you know, I just I have to make that time to, to get out there and be that person I was you know, motherhood changes you. But you still need your time, because you cannot give from an empty cup. And then if you do if you keep giving and giving and giving, and you do not take that time to relax or do something once a week for you. You will go crazy. I went crazy. My husband will tell you I went crazy.

 

Chad Ratliffe  14:05

Yeah, I always cringe when the parent says I just, I can't or i There's no time or there's no buddy because I understand the challenge. And I understand that. There's no buddy, but I also understand that it's not sustainable. So you have to figure out something. It sounds like you're starting to figure out more things that you can do now than you did kind of in the middle of COVID.

 

Sarah  14:34

Is that right? Yes. COVID was a hard year for me. I'm a full time worker. I also have you know, two children and a child with special needs. I have three three children altogether. Two that can kind of do their own thing and one that needs me all the time. But I had lost three daycares because of his behaviors. He couldn't function. You know, he couldn't get his point across so I lost three daycares in 2020 and In the midst of the diagnosis and the depression, so I was very fortunate the daycare I currently have has a brother on the spectrum, and currently has a diagnosis for her son on the spectrum. So I want to highlight that, you know, having that daycare and then having it be consistent, and having him have a great report her now I get senators, I mean, it just it took a while for him to get there. But, but like you said, it's so important to be able to do things for you that you just you have to find that. But I did want to highlight that if you've lost daycare, it's opening another door for you. And you will find somebody that is perfect for your child

 

Chad Ratliffe  15:35

is losing a daycare, a nice way of saying that they weren't able to accommodate your son,

 

Sarah  15:43

I was told to find other places, you know, because my son would hit his head on the wall or hit his head on the floor, or throw things as he was trying to get his point across that he was too destructive, and and a danger to himself or others. I was given a 30 day notice or something like that.

 

Chad Ratliffe  16:02

And so it's hard to lose the support. And it's also hard to have your child not be accepted. Right?

 

Sarah  16:11

Yeah. And that really broke me down. Because I just didn't understand how people, you know, child care providers. I guess having a child with autism can be hard and trying, I truly understand that. But I don't get health care providers don't have the compassion in their heart. And I'm not trying to say anything bad about them. But I this is how I felt at the time was, yeah, people taking care of my children, or my child, they don't have the compassion to learn and to try with us. They just want to drop him without even giving him a chance. And he is the sweetest boy, he gives the best hugs, the best kisses. And I guess I couldn't understand that they didn't give him a chance to adapt. Yeah.

 

Chad Ratliffe  16:53

And it's so hard because especially now with the growing number of people that are born today born on the spectrum. If everybody says no, what are we doing for such a large portion of our population? And as parents, obviously, it hurts us and we don't have the support, and it hurts our feelings. You know, but it doesn't work from a society perspective, if we can't care for this large population of people. So yes, it's just such a tough situation. And I'm sorry that you had to go through it. And but it does push us to new and hopefully better places. Where's life today? How's life today?

 

Sarah  17:37

Life is great. Tatum is five he turned five in February, he can count to 20 sale his ABCs he can read. Wow, that's it. He doesn't speak a lot. He speaks a lot more than he used to, which is a weird way to describe it. But I know he can read because in parts of the book, he'll start saying it. Or I have cards of dinosaurs and he says Anglia soros so he can save say that as good as he can I understand it. He knows all the planets in the solar system in their order, and what they look like, he'll tell you if you have them wrong. We have been with our daycare since September of 2001. And like I said her her brother is on the spectrum. And he just turned 20 Her son was just diagnosed. So we have a great support system there. My friends are supportive, and they understand if Hey, it's a bad day, can we bring lunch to go to my house? Or you know, we'll take you to the park and let Tatum play. So I have people getting me out and about. I work my full time job for the county here. And I'm actually back in college. We're fighting Yeah, our oldest boy who will be 19 in April bought a house at the beginning of March. So we've had quite a good time just we got the communication device, which I feel helped spark Tatum's talking, because he was able to push the button over and over and over and over again. And then he was getting those words down. So I think that those communication devices are truly beneficial. So if anybody is against it, because you don't think your child will talk, I will say it was a game changer for us. And he talks more now we still have the communication device, but he doesn't use it that much. He's he works on his words. And if there's a word he's struggling with, like I said, he'll he'll push that button over and over and over. And it's just amazing. You know, it's just, it's just amazing. He knows what norwall is.

 

Chad Ratliffe  19:45

That's awesome. You know, and I want to highlight the contrast from you and your family now to 2020 because depression can be debilitating. You know, when your feet feel stuck in the mud and you don't see it any light in sight, it's no joke. And it's easy to get stuck in those situations. And if you're not making steps, you're going to stay. And it just gets darker and darker. And so you're like a testimony of what happens when you take action steps despite how you're feeling. And it sounds like you're in a completely different place today than then. So I hope the listeners are picking up on this, that sometimes you have to take action steps, even when you're not feeling that great. So you can get to a new place. Does that sound right?

 

Sarah  20:42

That sounds right. I feel like I've benefited from all my steps that I've taken. All the learning I've done, like you said, leadership, I was chosen for the program, because here in Iowa, we have regional autism, partnership representatives. So rap representatives, and my rap representative saw how passionate I was about autism and awareness and acceptance. And I ran a fundraiser last year and we're doing it again this year. So I ran a fundraiser last year, and I was able to donate money to the hospital. And my rap representative recommended me for this because throughout this leadership, we find some gaps, whether it's Iowa gaps, whether it's whether it's community, like my county, or all of Iowa or the whole world, we're looking for gaps for anybody with disabilities are children. So I'm coming up with a community service project for my area to do social emotional regulation and classes and educate people. As far as daycares, summer camps, whatever, anybody that'll listen to me, I'm doing it.

 

Chad Ratliffe  21:47

Wow, that's awesome. And you're uniquely qualified for the position and, and you seem like you'd be amazing at it. So it's like they got the right person, that just Rewinding back a minute, you got the diagnosis. Did that qualify you for services? Once you got the diagnosis?

 

Sarah  22:06

Yes. So after we saw the ear, nose and throat specialist, I requested speech and speech therapy right away, our insurance denied it, but I still pushed for it, and we got the appointments. So my husband and I are paying $1,500 a month out of pocket, wow. for it. After we got the diagnosis, it was covered, we're able to put our child on a secondary insurance because of his autism diagnosis. And our insurance, paid a portion paid the majority of it and then the secondary insurance covered the rest. So that was nice, but I did for April. So May, June, July, August. So seven, eight months, I paid $1,500 out of pocket to have those services once a week for one hour for my son,

 

Chad Ratliffe  22:53

and your proponent that early intervention has been a positive piece in your son's life.

 

Sarah  23:01

Absolutely. I tell anybody if you have a speculation, and you aren't happy with what your primary care physician says, Keep trying keep going. You know, you're you're that child's parent, you understand your child better. Having that early diagnosis opens so many doors for your child, my son was able to go to school, the month he turned three. And he's been in school for two full years now almost. And then those four months and 2021. So him being at school, I think has benefited him all those services through occupational therapy, feeding therapy, speech therapy, it is so beneficial. So I just want to tell everybody not to give up because it's worth it for your child. Anything is worth it.

 

Chad Ratliffe  23:46

That's amazing. It sounds like he's grown so much in in this period of time. So what do you say to somebody that is kind of in that depressed state that doesn't really see light in sight? Did you have to teach your friends how to be so supportive? Or do you just have like a good group of people around you? I mean, it sounds like you have a nice setup like what do you say to somebody who doesn't feel like they have a support system? How do you get started on that path?

 

Sarah  24:20

I'm very fortunate that my friends wanted to learn probably because I talked about it all the time. But I would say there's community groups on Facebook, a lot of times there is partnerships with hospitals. Here. We have the heartland AEA, they have groups of parents, you can kind of put some stuff out there. I think first thing is just really kind of accepting the diagnosis because being in denial doesn't help with finding friends and being open and open minded to other other people and just kind of saying, you know, I understand that you think that I have changed, and I have, but this is what I was presented. And, and just really trying to help them see, you're still the person you were, you just have a special needs child. And that can't that doesn't always allow to do weekend trips in Vegas or, or anything like that. But you're still wanting to get out there and be with your friends. So that's a hard one.

 

Chad Ratliffe  25:27

Yeah. Well, no, I think you're you're setting the example for us. So I appreciate that. What's something that you're excited about as it relates to raising your unique Son,

 

Sarah  25:40

I am excited to see him grow every day. I used to cry over things that I like, pre grieved for things that when I got the diagnosis that he was nonverbal, I thought I'd never hear my son say I love you. He tells me I love you mom, all of the time. So when we celebrate, we celebrate little wins every day. I just I'm excited to see him grow. I think he's going to be an astronaut, or a marine biologist, or something because he loves the water. He loves the universe. And I am it. I'm just so excited about everything. You know, every little goal, like I said, we we celebrate big wins around here we celebrate counting to 20. I mean, we make a big deal out of little things or things other people think are little but they're like Mount Everest to our children. Yeah, we celebrate. Uh, we go all out. I get balloons, confetti.

 

Chad Ratliffe  26:35

I love it. You have such positive vibrations coming from you. So you're gonna you're the people that you've come in contact with are so lucky to have you in their community, your kids so lucky to have such a cool mom. It's a new question I've been asking, but how can we create a better world for our special needs community?

 

Sarah  26:56

I think pushing the positivity. I think pushing kindness, we do a lot of kindness campaigns in my community. And I will say that our our community has been great our small community here. I think pushing that positivity, that kindness and you know, when people say rude or mean things, and you just want to fire back at them, just give them kindness, give them give them you know, give them a smile and say, you know, I understand and just treat them with kindness. Don't treat fire with fire. We've we've put out fires with water and just think of your kindness as water. And even though you might want to say something, you just be kind and people will understand that, you know, amongst this adversity, you're still finding the positivity and you're still being gracious and kind.

 

Chad Ratliffe  27:43

I love that. I love that. It's not always easy in the moment. But if we talk about it, maybe we can be prepared so that when it does come we we've scripted how we want to handle it rather than just kind of snapping. You spoke a little bit to this, but what do you do to care for you? How do you care for you so that you're, you have that full cup for your child? What are some things that people can do? What are you doing? Can you tell us a little bit about that.

 

Sarah  28:12

So I run half marathons. So I get on my treadmill, I lift my weights I box. So those are the physical aspects that I do. But I also like to sit back and read. When I get home from work, rather than getting sucked into the internet and tick tock, I try to put my phone on the charger. And if I want some news, I'll read the newspaper or like I said, I'll read I'll do make bracelets, just anything to keep my hands busy. That just feels like some sort of fulfillment to myself, it has been very nice and helpful. I love that.

 

Chad Ratliffe  28:47

I've often said that fitness for me is kind of like my psychiatrist. And I feel that like, I don't know if it's the endorphins or whatever it is. But if I'm if I'm feeling down, fitness is a place I can go to feel better. I'm not saying that it covers all the bases, but it's one of the key components of that I need to keep consistent in my life. So I'm glad that you brought that up. I wish that for everybody. That's everybody on the planet. I actually you know, I wish that we can all do something active each day. But if you're struggling and you're not eating healthy, and you're not exercising, it's like it's a spiral. You know what I mean?

 

Sarah  29:31

Yes, Endorphins make you happy. Like you said, there's a lot in the food we eat and we could go on and on and on about that. But there's a lot of stuff in the food we eat that causes a chemical imbalance. So eating those good nutritious foods helps you feel better helps you think clearer helps your body work better and you don't feel sluggish. So you hit it right on the head there. There's just there's just so many things out there that I wish were available to everybody or everybody felt like they could you know, you hear a lot of there's not enough time. There's not It's expensive, but there are ways and I said, you said, I wish that for everybody I wish it was cheaper to to be healthy. You know, I feel like that's the best medicine. Let's not be unhealthy.

 

Chad Ratliffe  30:17

We do like a lightning round where you give like a one word to one sentence answer to more questions just so we can get more of your, your expertise. Are you up for it?

 

Sarah  30:26

Sure. Let's do it.

 

Chad Ratliffe  30:28

Okay, what's the best advice you have received?

 

Sarah  30:31

No, set your child up for failure?

 

Chad Ratliffe  30:33

What online course topic? Would you sign up for today? If it was available?

 

Sarah  30:37

I'm on Main college already. I would say social emotional regulation. That's what my topics on for stuff.

 

Chad Ratliffe  30:48

Nice. Do you have a top resource or recommendation to share with other parents?

 

Sarah  30:54

Ask is a good resource for autism. Here. I don't the compass website, which I can give to you. I don't know it off the top of my head. But that website here has from XYZ on autism.

 

Chad Ratliffe  31:09

Okay, well, maybe send that to us. And we'll put it in the show notes of if you think of it because I will email it to you. Awesome. What's the next thing on your list that you want to add for your individual well being?

 

Sarah  31:23

For my individual well being I would like to do a fitness competition because I wanted to do that I was preparing to do that. And then I found out I was pregnant.

 

Chad Ratliffe  31:31

What do you mean by fitness competition?

 

Sarah  31:32

A bodybuilding one?

 

Chad Ratliffe  31:34

Oh, cool. Oh, you're a strong girl. I've been known to be strong, nice, awesome. What's one thing you think would improve your life if you did it or had it?

 

Sarah  31:46

If I had more time at home, I think it would improve my life.

 

Chad Ratliffe  31:51

Do you have a favorite product that you use for yourself or your child or family that you just love and couldn't live without?

 

Sarah  32:00

I get really bad allergies. And there's this thing on Amazon, you can fill it up with water and put in your freezer. And then you just rub it on your face. And it feels so good. Awesome. It's very nice. That's for me. For my family, I will say Claritin. They don't like the cold stuff.

 

Chad Ratliffe  32:17

Awesome. So I want to thank you for taking the time. Thank you for sharing the vulnerabilities of the struggles of being a special a parent of a special needs child and then the successes and how what life can be like if you put in the effort, just in closing from what we've talked about or just what's on your heart. What do you say to the parents out there and naked parent nation who are listening

 

Sarah  32:44

naked parent nation, I love you I feel all of your pain, your happiness, your sorrows, because I am you. And there are more of you out there. And it's just so hard to be vulnerable. But it is okay to be vulnerable.

 

Chad Ratliffe  32:59

Sarah, thanks for taking the time to be with us. I wish you and your family, all the blessings that you deserve and a great rest of your day. And I hope we can stay friends and touch base down the road.

 

Sarah  33:10

I look forward to that. Thank you, Chad. All right. Thanks, Sarah.

 

Chad Ratliffe  33:13

Bye, bye.