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"I would like to discuss how this alternative way of dealing with my children saved my marriage and saved my relationship with my kids. The success is what made me passionate about helping other moms and caregivers. I felt very alone and full of shame because of the way my kids were/are and I want to help other Moms to know they are not alone and it's not their fault."

My name is Kim, I'm a wife and a mom of 3.

 

My oldest son is an overachiever, overachieving kid and easygoing. He made me believe I was a pretty perfect Mom and then I had baby #2! My middle son is on the autism spectrum and my youngest, a girl, we adopted from Hungary. She has been diagnosed with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorder. From the time my middle child was 14 months old, he has had severe and challenging behaviors. We quickly found out the traditional way of parenting only made things worse for him. At about age 9, we started trying an alternative way, a collaborative method, and it worked so well. I have written my own curriculum and am now passionate about supporting and coaching other moms who need help, as I did. My kids are 18, 19, and 23 currently.

 

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Chad Ratliffe, Kim Rose Wilbanks

 

Kim  00:00

It's gonna be a long journey that you're definitely not alone. There are 1000s and probably millions of families and kids like your own out there in the world. But don't give up. Don't take what the doctor is saying or the school is saying or the teacher saying as the last word, especially if you feel in your gut that something more needs to be done. Keep at it, keep researching, keep looking. keep finding that answer until you until you get your child and taking care of

 

00:34

Welcome to the daily naked parent podcast brought to you by Rocko glue. The first ever brand focused on supporting parents with special needs children. A good parent nation is a group of parents with special needs children, who are willing to give honorable, stripped it all down and take a look at ourselves, our parenting, our family and our plans to create a life beyond our wildest dreams.

 

Chad Ratliffe  01:07

On today's show, we'll be discussing how to save your marriage Hello naked parent nation and welcome to today's episode of The Naked parent podcast. My name is Chad ratliffe. And before I introduce you to our guests today, let me start by sharing the naked parent nation offering naked parent nations a worldwide community of parents and professionals raising children with all kinds of needs. We come together to share Naked Truth support our fellow parents and inspire the inner growth that each of us needs to build the life and family of our dreams.

 

For the parents that are struggling, we want you to know that we will love you until you can love yourself, for your children, we pray and send power from our collective group. As we come to understand our divine nature, we realize that there's no need to feel sorry for ourselves be angry or feel lack, we come to understand that our feelings of limitation and separation are only in our minds, through self realization, we expand our consciousness so that the challenges that perplex us today, dissipate one by one until we're able to see and experience gratitude and beauty in everything just as it is. We have the power to create any kind of life we want for ourselves and our families.

 

 We do this by living in the naked present moment, one day at a time. So if you're ready to take back your life, or just continue your journey of awareness and consciousness, then let me welcome you to naked parent nation and the naked parent podcast. On today's show, we have Kim Rosewill banks. She is a wife and mom of three. Her oldest son is an overachiever. And easygoing he made her believe she was the perfect mom and then had baby number two, the middle son is on the autism spectrum and her youngest girl adopted from Hungary. She has been diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome disorder. And there's a whole lot more and her experience has created something new that you're gonna want to hear about. It's going to help you your marriage and your family. Kim rose, welcome to the show. Thank you for being with us.

 

Kim  03:18

Thank you so much for having me. i It's my honor and privilege to be here.

 

Chad Ratliffe  03:23

So you've had quite a journey. It started off it sounds a little more what they say typical. And then you got introduced to the world of special needs with your second child. Can you tell us when Special Needs came on your radar?

 

Kim  03:39

You know, with my first one, I wouldn't even call him typical because I kept waiting for the terrible twos to hit. And they never did. Like he never had a meltdown. He never had a temper tantrum. He just was a really easygoing. So I was very critical and judgmental towards the other parents that I would see in public, you know, and think glows, you just did this or that, you know. And then when my oldest was four, our second one was born. He was a okay baby. I could. I felt like something was different about him from my first one, but I didn't want to be like comparing. But when he turned 13 months old, oh my gosh, I knew something is different. With this child.

 

The very first thing I ever remember him doing was he walked up to another little guy that was the same age, but much smaller because my son was like one of these bruiser kids, you know, his head was as big as a bowling ball. And so he looked a lot older but he was only 13 months. He walked up to this other little guy and just shoved him as hard as he could. And it came out of the blue This is not provoked. And as weird, like he's never done anything like that before. Well, that was just the beginning of all of the behaviors. There was, you know, kicking, spitting, biting, hitting machine, picking away the toys. And it just progressed from there to like crying all day long, having several meltdowns. When he was about five years old, we adopted our daughter, we were living in Hungary, working as missionaries. And we adopted her she was four. And I knew that her birth mom was an alcoholic.

 

So I immediately took her to a doctor and got her diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome. And so yeah, and with my son, it was a little bit more of a progression to getting him officially diagnosed, because I had a lot of suspicions, and I was a researcher. So I was just looking up all the things, trying to figure it out. But did in the back of my mind, I was like, there can't be anything wrong with my child. I was like in denial, almost like, I had this perfect ideal of what my family was going to be like, and it did not include special needs. You know? Yeah.

 

Chad Ratliffe  06:23

What a contrast from your first child, you're in denial. Is Hungary, a developed country for special needs? I mean, is that is it a little bit behind?

 

Kim  06:35

It's really behind. And, you know, as I found out, my son now is 19. So in the US, for the higher functioning, especially the higher functioning, I mean, if your child is sitting in the corner, and is nonverbal, and they're visibly flapping their hands all day long, I say we as America can take care of those kinds of kids, but the higher functioning, even doctors and the medical is behind. But we did find a really good psychiatrist, and she spoke English, yay. What led to that appointment, though, was what I would call probably the worst day of my life and forced me to do something. My son at the time was seven. I was doing the dishes, he walks into the kitchen says, Hey, mom, and he's got his little guitar, and you want to hear a song I wrote. And I was like, Sure, of course. Well, he started singing the song. It was like, my whole world stopped. Everything just went dark. Because it was the word to the song were that he was tired. He was too tired to live on the earth anymore.

 

And he wanted to go to heaven. But then he gets to heaven. And none of his friends are there. So he's sad. Because he doesn't have any of this. I was like, Oh my gosh, he's having suicidal thoughts. Like, we've got to do something. So we took them to the psychiatrist, she diagnosed him with anxiety and depression, and probably autism, she said that she needed to see him more than just the one time. And she recommended that we leave hungry and come back to the States. So after praying about it, for a couple days, the decision was made. We packed up and we lost within three months. Wow. And came home. Wow, that was really hard.

 

Chad Ratliffe  08:33

Yeah, I've by age seven. Are you still in denial? Hi.

 

Kim  08:38

I mean, kind of that right before that. I'm sorry. I didn't need to cut you off.

 

Chad Ratliffe  08:42

No, you're fine. And I'm curious. Also, if you and your husband are on the same page, are you both in denial? Or are you on the same page? Where How did that also play into the decision?

 

Kim  08:53

That's a good question. Because all along like I remember when he was two, and when he was four, and when he was five and right before we left for hungry, thinking, like, Is he okay, is something wrong? And I would ask my husband and my husband was definitely in denial. Definitely had his head in the sand. And he's like, No, he's fine. He's just different. You know, we're just used to the easygoing one. And I was like, okay, you know, yeah, maybe he's just really strong willed.

 

And so yeah, it was the thing that really, like, knocked me in the head before this song my son wrote, and it was just a few months before that, that a Hungarian friend of mine, who had worked in the States for 12 years as a special ed teacher, and but she was living in the same town as I was at the time. And Hungarians are known for being like, really blunt. And really, they just tell you the truth, and they're not trying to be rude. They're not trying to hurt your feelings. That's just how they are. And she says, Yeah, kids like kale. And so and so they need a special environment. And I'm like, Hold on, wait that what what you think kills need special ed, you think he's? And she's like, Oh, definitely, of course he is. And I was like, oh my god I was. So that felt like a huge slap in the face. But it was something I needed. I needed somebody to say, Yeah, you know he is. And then it was shortly after that, that he was a song. And so that got me out of my head in the sand. Yeah. And I don't think my husband was really along with it until the psychiatrist said yes, he's, he's definitely struggling. He's definitely suffering. And you need to get him help.

 

Chad Ratliffe  10:54

And so you come back to the United States? And do you proceed to get diagnosis and services? Or what were your first steps when you got back to the States?

 

Kim  11:05

Yeah, I'm into a university place. And his regular primary doctor was very familiar with autism, and got him on medication. And really, looking back on it, I can see that a lot of his behaviors were bipolar. Because he was, you know, really stream from when one end of the spectrum to the other show? Yes, we got him diagnosed. It took a while, though. I mean, of course, you know, it always does.

 

It took a couple years. And so then I tried to homeschool him at first, that really wasn't a good fit, because you did to be around kids more than he likes to, you know, the routine and the scheduled rigidity of a traditional school versus a home school. So I put him in the public school system, because that friend from Hungary told me, the only way he's going to get help, is if he's in the public schools. And they will, they've got the resources, they will help him. So I was like, okay, you know, put him in, I think it's third grade, he went into the public school system. And that is not what I found. It was a fight to get him help. Because he looked fine, quote, unquote, looked fine. He acted fine. These behaviors were not showing up at school. But at home, they were outrageous. I mean, the behaviors were just horrible, at home. And even on the playground, and like after school, I just getting a report, you know, of aggression. And yeah, so it that was hard.

 

Chad Ratliffe  12:50

How did the brothers get along or not get along?

 

Kim  12:54

And it was pretty hairy. They really didn't get along. Because, you know, of course, my older son didn't understand. And would. And my oldest is more like pretty, like, No, you can't do that. And, yes, you have to go here and no, you can't do that. And so that didn't go overwhelmed, you know, with my middle son. Yeah. And him and my daughter. At the time, it was horrendous, because she had her own set of issues and struggles and behaviors. And hers were more passive aggressive. They weren't out in the open in your face. So it was a mess. Like our family life was just really, really not good.

 

Chad Ratliffe  13:45

And what effect did that have on your marriage?

 

Kim  13:48

That was it was really, really hard. Bassett and I were fighting a lot, because he's very, very traditional. I mean, we both are, you know, we were both raised in the traditional parenting style, you know, getting spanked, you know, having all the privileges taken away, being grounded in your room for a month, or more, you know, all this stuff. And so that's the way he was dealing with our son. And I could see that it was making things work. And it was I was working as a nerd. From like three to 11 I would get home at midnight. And from the parking lot, we lived in a townhome from the parking lot. I could hear my son screaming at midnight. I mean school Remi not just crying or weeping, but screaming. We had the police called on us for because of the noise and the crime, you know, yeah, it was really it was really that so I began to see like, we need to do something different, like this is not working. And but my husband was really really hesitant. He was like any more strictness you need, you know consequences. And and that was not the answer.

 

Chad Ratliffe  14:59

What was the answer? Oh, at that time,

 

Kim  15:03

yeah, my son was about nine. And I was I'm a researcher, I was scouring the internet going to all the classes I could. And I found this one parenting class. It was called collaborative problem solving by Dr. Ross Greene. And that was the answer. And it's interesting because I kind of instinctively, knowing my son could kind of tell like, Gee, every time you know, he's told no, you can't have, you know, meltdown, and has this outburst. And that's exactly what this Dr. Ross's parenting method is all about that you don't look at the behavior, you pretty much ignore the behavior and you look beyond the behavior, why are they acting that way? Why are they responding that way. And most of it comes from lagging skills. They don't have the skills for self regulation, they don't have the skill to be patient, they don't have the skill to sit at the table at dinner. This was one of the biggest things My husband was insisting upon. And it was kind of a family thing. And I agreed with it that we would all eat dinner together at the dinner table, talking about our day, perfect little family. Yeah, it was it wasn't working.

 

I mean, my son was hopping up and wanting to run around and throw the ball and my husband would tell him to sit down and dinner and my son wouldn't do it. So then that, you know, the struggle would start, you know, and then my husband would be like, you don't tell me no, go to your bedroom and melt down. And if you don't stop crying, you're getting your computer taken away tomorrow, you know, and then it just went on and on and on. So that was one of the first things I implemented. Talking with my head. Let's just try to I took my my son aside, and this is how it works. You take you take the child aside when they're in a good mood, and they're regulated in your calm. And you ask them what's going on? Why? You know, and the way I was phrasing the question is, why don't you want to sit at the table and eat dinner with us? And he says, Mama, I do want to sit at the table and eat dinner with you guys. But I can't. He says I want to be with you.

 

I want to talk I want to hear about the day but I can't. I have too much energy. And my mind is like a racing car. And I can't stop it. Yeah, I can see that I believe him. So I said, How about had this idea. If we get a little basketball hoop, you know, the little time you put in your in the bedrooms. Our front door was right by the dining room table. We put we put the basket basketball hoop and you can throw the little, you know, is a little plastic ball. And you can stand there and throw the ball when you need to. And he says yes, yes, that's a great idea. So we did that. We started having peaceful dinners. You know, he wasn't sitting with us. But he was right there. And he would come over every once in a while and interject into the conversation. No more meltdowns at dinner. Because I told my husband, nobody's having a peaceful dinner. He's in his room crying till nine or 10 o'clock at night. And our dinners are not peaceful. So yeah, we tried that. And that was the beginning of my husband being able to see. Okay, I'm struggling to get it now.

 

Chad Ratliffe  18:39

We have to look at things different. Because coming from a traditional family myself, a basketball hoop would not have gone over well. But it's amazing how thinking outside of the box or getting advice? Yes, a small change can make such a big difference. So yeah, what started helping you and your husband get on the same page. Was that sort of the beginning of your husband starting to see where you were coming from? Or can you tell us about the journey from being conservative, to the basketball hoops, the first step, what kind of steps happen after to make the changes that you need to make?

 

Kim  19:23

Yeah, there was a lot that beginning It took years, it has taken years to get to where and for me too, like I wasn't perfect at it. The key is that we as the adults need to change. First, our perspective needs to change. Our mindset needs to change. So it involves a lot of personal development. Right about that time I joined a skincare company that was really, really big on personal development and I didn't even know what personal development was. I actually was doing it because I read my Bible every day and but I didn't realize that that was cuz that can be a personal development too. But that was the beginning is really like doing a lot of soul searching. What are our core beliefs? And why do we believe, you know, in the traditional parenting style? Did it work for us? As kids, you know, you know, our behavior was good, but our hearts were hard. You know, and we didn't want just robotic children who do what you say. And their hearts aren't really in it. So it was a lot of work on our part, it still is, I mean, although to say by the time my son was 14, or 15, he had learned so many personal skills himself and problem solving skills, that he would start using my language on me when he disagreed with me on something. And he's like, Yeah, Mom, I see your point.

 

I see. I can, I can see your eye. We're talking about autistic kid here. I see your perspective on like, wow. But my concern is a statement of concern, you know, instead of yelling and screaming and having the whole meltdown, and, you know, because joy was really, really cool to see, that was a benefit that I wasn't expecting him being able to learn the problem solving skills, you know, that most of us don't learn to We're adults. Right? Right. That's cool.

 

Chad Ratliffe  21:25

Is there a label for this kind of parenting style? Or is this just Dr. Ross's methodology? Or can you tell us about that?

 

Kim  21:37

It's such a label, it's it's collaborative. Working with the child collaborative with the child, it's getting through the meltdown, in the moment with empathy, tons and tons and tons of empathy, and seeing the world from their perspective, and from their view. And then, like I said, earlier, when you're both regulated, and you're both calm, talking about it, like, why are you not able to sit at the table? Why don't you want to sit at the table, you know, and he's like, Mom, I want to sit at the table. But I can't. And you know, and then another thing I found out was, he's not hungry. It wasn't hungry at 530. You know, he had just had a snack a couple of hours before after school. I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

 

And previously, every night at eight or 830, he'd be like, Mom, I'm starving. I did the preparing ahead of time progresses. I was like, Okay, well, I can show it that I can get you a good snack. You know, and if I knew it was coming, it didn't take me by surprise. Once he's in bed all checked in. I'm hungry. So yeah, collaborative and empathy. This is the case.

 

Chad Ratliffe  22:48

It's almost the opposite of the way we were raised. You know, we were raised. It's like, intimidate you more. To get you to stop. Yeah. Opposite.

 

Kim  23:01

fear based, it's the way like, I remember sitting there thinking, Okay, I don't want to get spanked anymore. And I want to see my girlfriends this weekend. So just keep your mouth shut. Keep your mouth shut your mouth shut. You know that I had the ability to do that. Like my older son had the ability to do that. It's like, we don't get it that the emotional and the nd mental developmental things. Childhood are skills just like wanting to walk. Like when when the kid is learning to walk, we think it's so cute when they toggle along and, and they fall on their bum and they start crying. Oh, we're like, Oh, it's okay. You know, just get that done. You can do it. You know, we're taking pictures and but we don't look at the emotional needs in the same light.

 

Chad Ratliffe  23:51

Right? Was this beneficial for your daughter? This style? Did this style work with your daughter? Or are they just you have to do two different completely different things?

 

Kim  24:04

No, it totally worked with my daughter, it was a little bit different. Because her behaviors like I said, were passive and so they're not in your face. But definitely taking away all of the consequences. All of the punishment for the bad behavior. Definitely made a huge difference, because then I could find out. Why are you lying to me because she didn't want to do her homework because she doesn't know how to do the math. You know, and she knows if I you know is if she didn't do her homework. She can go to youth group that night. So it was definitely beneficial to find out and a lot of hers.

 

Since back to the trauma, which I think we don't know as a society the medical system the psychiatric system does not have a clue Whew, of how much the bad behavior of a traumatized child plays into their trauma. They're not being horrible kids. It's trauma based. You know, my favorite quote from Dr. Ross Greene is kids are not giving you a hard time they're having a hard time. If your perspective changes, and you look at it from that point of view, then you'll stop punishing kids for their behavior. You know, like, we don't punish kids, because they, when they're learning to walk, they fall. We're not like, you know, better than that, you know, you know, you shouldn't should we need to be the same way when they're having a hard time.

 

Chad Ratliffe  25:43

Right. So does Dad eventually make it fully on board with this? He comes, yeah.

 

Kim  25:50

Yeah, he does. He every once in a while, he needs a little, you know, little reminder, like, you know, that he, he does, and he has repaired the broken relationships, because he did have a broken relationship with both kids. And he has repaired that, you know, apologizing, I've had to do the same thing. Because it's easy to fall back into, you know, these things get on your nerves, you get tired of them. And that's the one thing like we come back and we're like, you know what, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have yelled at you. I shouldn't have done whatever. I'm still learning. You know, let's start over and go forward. Kids are so forgiving when you do that. They really, really are.

 

Chad Ratliffe  26:36

So what is life look like today? What are the ages? What are they into? What's everybody doing today?

 

Kim  26:44

My daughter is 18 and she's a junior in high school. So she didn't start school until she was six and a house. She is into photography. I finally got her an IEP. It took me six years, six years of working and fighting and advocating side together an IEP. Because she really, really struggled academically, especially in math. So she's getting the extra help. She's has a therapist, she's in therapy for the trauma, and that she is an outgoing, very friendly girl and loves photography sport, to this huge baseball fans, then my son is 19. And he has his drones pilot license that he got from a special program at one of the local charter schools. I had to independently homeschool him for high school. Okay, there was nothing out there that fit his style. And we tried them all.

 

So he one day wants to start his own business playing drums. But in the meantime, he's working at Target, and he's doing really well. And he loves it. And I'm just thrilled that he can be there and love it because he has severe anxiety. But he's he's doing well. He's doing great. I will just say is living in Southern California. And working at a coffee shop. He's a musician. He plays for a lot of churches. And he's getting ready to record his own album soon. And he's doing really, really well.

 

Chad Ratliffe  28:20

Wow. Um, did your daughter get the IEP for the fetal alcohol syndrome? Is that how, okay, that's

 

Kim  28:27

how they that's yeah, that's how they qualified her.

 

Chad Ratliffe  28:30

Wow. What a journey. Thank you for sharing your story. It's inspiring to see somebody make it through so many hurdles. There's so many bumps on this road. And I appreciate you being honest. Are you out there helping other parents? Like, tell us what you're doing? With your knowledge?

 

Kim  28:52

Yeah, going through this whole thing with my son and my daughter, but you know, my daughter, people understood, you know, because she was adopted, and she was four years old, that my son it was it was a lot harder because he just looked and presented himself. So quote, unquote, normal. I felt really, really alone. And I thought we were weird that there was something wrong with us. I really did. I was like, What am I doing wrong for him to be like this. But then, you know, as time went on, I began to see no, there's a whole world of moms out there that are struggling just like I am. So because of that. I became passionate like this is the reason I get out of bed in the morning is to help other moms and caregivers because there's a lot of grandparents raising their grandkids now.

 

So I teach a parenting class at the local Yuba College, at the local college for kinship and foster parents, and it's almost all grandparents. And so I just became passionate about that about helping these parents and helping them with the IEP process. So like a lot of them don't know, that they can ask or the process. So I walk them through it, here's the letter you need to write, do this next, the timeline, because unfortunately, the school system, they know, we don't know what we're doing. And so they will take advantage. And I've developed my own curriculum that based off of Dr. Greene, but mine is a little heavier in the personal development and the mindset area, because I found that that was the key, you know, going into it. So I'm teaching that now online. So yeah, and then I offer the help for the IEP coaching. I'll talk to the moms and grandparents. I just talked to one the other day, she's 56. And she's raising her four year old. It's just, it's just really sad. So I that's my passion. That's, that's what I do now.

 

Chad Ratliffe  30:55

Are you doing it one to one or in just a group setting? Do they have to be local to your area? Or can can they reach you over social media? Yes. What tell us about that.

 

Kim  31:08

Okay. Yeah, no, they don't have to be local to my area. I will talk to people one on one, but the classes I teach are in a group session. I really love that. Because there's a lot of interactions with the people. And there may be something that one person brings up that the other person is like, oh, yeah, I've been struggling with that, too. So we can all learn from each other. So I have an email. And then I'm on social on Facebook and Instagram. I'm working on my website right now I should my website should go live in about a week or so. Awesome. But in the meantime, I have emails and Facebook and Instagram is Kim rose Willowbank. And you've been told my email address.

 

Chad Ratliffe  31:51

Tell us and then if you would send me the links that we can put in the show notes after that'd be great. But just tell us for the listeners that want a writing it down right now.

 

Kim  32:00

Right? Okay. Mom's Oh, oh, tbk@gmail.com. So I created this platform called Out of the Box Kit. Because my kids never fit in the box. They didn't fit in the special ed box, even when he was shocking to me. So out of the box kids is my you know, is my logo in my name. So it's mom's Mo, M S. O O T isn't Tom using boy K as in kid@gmail.com?

 

Chad Ratliffe  32:36

Awesome. Again, I really appreciate your honesty, sharing your journey, it helps me it helps the listeners just kind of in closing. And please do send me those links. So we can put it in the show notes. But in closing, what do you what do you say to the parent that's kind of at the beginning of their journey? They feel alone, they feel like what they know isn't working? What do you say to them,

 

Kim  33:04

it's gonna be a long journey, that you're definitely not alone. There are 1000s and probably millions of families and kids like your own out there in the world. But don't give up. Don't take what the doctor is saying or the school is saying or the teachers saying as the last word, especially if you feel in your gut that something more needs to be done. Keep at it keep researching, keep looking. keep finding that answer until you until you get your child's taking care of.

 

Chad Ratliffe  33:38

Awesome, can people reach out to you just kind of for a free call to figure out if you're able to help them out?

 

Kim  33:46

Yes, definitely. I offer a free consult like a 30 minute call. And just to kind of get them headed in the right direction. They can ask any questions they want see if you know my class is a good fit for them. If they want to continue on,

 

Chad Ratliffe  34:04

Cam, thank you for taking the time today. I wish you and your family all the best. Thank you for inspiring me, you know, hopefully stay in contact and just kind of share one another's journeys as as time unfolds. Okay.

 

Kim  34:17

Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much. It's a privilege to be here.

 

Chad Ratliffe  34:20

Awesome. Have a wonderful rest of your day.

 

Kim  34:23

Thank you, you too.