September 19, 2023
Ways To Get Your Typical Children To Interact with Their Neurodiverse Friends with Tiffany Johnson
Show Notes
Tiffani is a remarkable single mom on a mission to inspire and support parents navigating the journey of raising a child with autism. With unyielding love and determination, she has faced the challenges and triumphs of parenting her amazing son, who happens to be on the autism spectrum. Despite having family and friends willing to help and support, there were many times where she felt isolated, alone, and overwhelmed. Tiffani intimately understands the unique challenges and joys that come with parenting in this extraordinary journey.
As a result, she loves to uplift and empower fellow parents raising children with autism. There's peace in speaking with parents who share the authentic experiences, joys, and challenges of being an Autism mom. Her journey is a testament to the strength, resilience, and unwavering love that defines the special bond between a mother and her child. Amidst of challenges Tiffani wants parents to know there are opportunities for growth, connection and creating beautiful life experiences for our kids. Tiffani is clear in stating that she is not an expert in or on Autism. She is the just the expert in her experience. Sharing her experience is how she supports others and receives support from those around her.
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Tiffany Johnson 00:00
Don't stop reaching out. You're not isolated no matter how tight or dark heavy that box feels you're not by yourself your mind is going to tell you that the you may feel like that but you're not by yourself continue to reach out to whether it be social media, some if there are no there are hotlines and things that you can call, but continue to reach out, especially when you're at your breaking point. And those breaking points are multiple points they come in and so you're not by yourself. And yes, it can and will get better. It's just that you're so far in the hole in a tunnel in the box. He's just can't find that like what is there. But if you stay where you are, you'll never find it, but just keep moving. Just keep moving.
Chad Ratliffe 00:50
Welcome to the daily naked parent podcast brought to you by Rocco blue. The first ever brand focused on supporting parents with special needs children. Naked parent nation is a group of parents with special needs children, who are willing to give honorable, stripped it all down and take a look at ourselves, our parenting, our family and our plans create a life beyond our wildest dreams.
On today's show, we'll be discussing ways to get your typical children to interact with their neurodiverse friends. Hello naked parent nation and welcome to today's episode of The Naked parent podcast. My name is Chad ratliffe and I'm your host. Before I introduce you to our guests today, let me share a little message from naked parent nation. Naked parent nation is a worldwide community of parents and professionals raising children with all kinds of needs. We come together to share Naked Truth, support our fellow parents and inspire the inner growth that each of us needs to build the life and family of our dreams. For those that are struggling, we want you to know that we will love y
ou until you can love yourself. For your children we pray and send power from our collective group. Naked parenting is the process of moving from where you are to where you want to be. Naked parents, he understands that the mind is responsible for all of our problems. As you shed the layers of your old programming and beliefs, you will return to the deepest truths of your own being. Do what you've always done and receive the life you are living or create the vision you want for your family. Combine that with an elevated emotion support from our community, and you can live the life of your dreams and beyond. We have the power to create any kind of life we want for ourselves and our families. We do this by living in the naked present moment, one day at a time. This is your first time connecting with us. I hope you feel the love that's here for you. Together we walk different paths side by side. So let us continue our journey with a short meditation, to ground ourselves to give ourselves that love in that space in that time that we need and deserve. So if you want to find a comfortable place if you're sitting, sit up tall with a straight spine if possible.
And then let your eyes closed can the sensations in your body we're going to talk about noting thinking noting feeling. Noting is a way to reduce anxiety. So just feel your body relax. You feel a tense in certain areas. Allow that tension to soften take a few moments to scan your awareness down through your body from your head to your toes. Try and feel where you have sensations as you focus on your breath. If you get distracted, try saying to yourself thinking or if you feel a sensation or some tension somewhere Say feeling and start noting, when you get taken away from thoughts, or when you get distracted with feeling. Safe, you can actually note any strong distractions without getting too caught up in it.
If some troublesome emotion arises, see if you can note it. It might be anger might be sadness or worry. So noting it as anger, sadness, or worry just be clear about what it is, and be gentle. Know that gently and after you note it, come back to your breath Don't worry, it's difficult to identify your distractions if it's not immediately clear, and just leave it as thinking and after you've noted a few feelings or thoughts just let your mind be free and then when you're ready, gently open your eyes and might ask yourself how did that feel? Was there any sense of anxiety having to note those different sensations or thoughts. If it didn't frustrate you in any way, then congratulations. If it did annoy you some. Next time, try to note thinking and feeling without worrying or getting too involved in what you're doing. So it's a chance to take some time for yourself and get that space and for me. Since adding two meditations a day, even short ones one in the morning, and one mid afternoon. My life has transformed in ways that have been amazing
. So I hope everybody finds their own space. But I'm excited to get to our guest today hear more of her journey. I'd like to introduce you to Tiffany Johnson. Tiffany is an amazing single mom the little bit of time that I've had to talk with her. I'm excited for you all to hear her inspiring journey. She's on a mission to help other parents navigate this journey of raising children with autism. She has a lot of love and determination. And she understands the challenges and triumphs of parenting. Her amazing son, he happens to be on the autism spectrum. And despite having family and friends willing to help and support. There's been many times where she's felt alone and overwhelmed. And she intimately understands the unique challenges and joys that come from parent teen and this journey that we're all on. And as a result she loves to uplift and help other parents raise their children. It's been become a passion of hers. And she's found peace and speaking with parents who share the authentic experience joys and challenges of being an autism mom. So Tiffany where excited to have you. Welcome to the show.
Tiffany Johnson 10:03
Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate the invite, and I'm excited to be here.
Chad Ratliffe 10:08
Yes, we're excited to have you so you're calling in from Atlanta?
Tiffany Johnson 10:12
Yes. This Covington which is outside of Atlanta, 30 minutes, 40 minutes outside of Atlanta.
Chad Ratliffe 10:18
So tell us a little bit about what your home life looks like you know a little bit about your son just give us a picture of Tiffany and
Tiffany Johnson 10:28
speaking of my son, he's interrupting. Have to have his AAA he was making sure I ordered his Chipotle on time. Sorry for that
Chad Ratliffe 10:36
the isn't the original chick fillet from Georgia?
Tiffany Johnson 10:41
It is it is yeah. And he that is the east Chick fil A every day. So he was making sure he likes to watch them deliver it. So he was making sure I had his Chipotle on time. So apologize for that.
Chad Ratliffe 10:56
He's on it. Yeah, that's awesome. That's cute. So tell us a little bit about you, you guys.
Tiffany Johnson 11:02
Um, so my son is 14. He was I was, was an educator for 19 years before changing professions. So at about one and a half, I started to see some signs that there may be autism, we had a certain little path and house, he would constantly run, he was always very, very, very energetic, and some mild hand flapping. And being an education, I kind of seen some of the more general signs of autism. So I took him to get tested at the Marcus Institute. But it was one thing to kind of speculate and have that sense. But it's actually here, the diagnosis that they felt it was very heavy, and being one, my pregnancy was unexpected. And so one dealing with, oh my goodness, I'm getting ready to have a child a year and a half a minute to, you know, hear the diagnosis, I immediately blamed myself, but it was maybe something I did was it something I took during my pregnancy or did not do during my pregnancy. And so it was very heavy for me for a while.
Because it felt like everything else began to be very blaring, his autism was so vivid to me now, where before, maybe some denial in there just didn't want to, you know, recognize it. But then it felt like all of the behaviors became just very apparent. And early on, it was like almost having a heartbroken every day, you know, just watching, it was more apparent for me being around my friends and their kids. Because we all have kids around the same age and their boys as well. And the play and interaction was just, you know, completely different. So it was a lot for me, I didn't know how to handle it what to do, having to constantly explain certain behaviors and felt like I need to apologize for everything, temper tantrums, and meltdowns are just not responding to, you know, people trying to interact.
It was a lot Fast forward to now he has been the greatest teacher I have ever had. I've learned. Just patience. And one of the biggest things is appreciating the little things. You know, while everybody else might have been celebrating the typical milestones at five, we were celebrating getting socks on independently, you know, so just now we celebrate everything if it's doing something like new foods are a big celebration. And then if you even take it to lunch is another celebration. So it was just this is really helped me to slow down and just appreciate everything he is I'm an athlete, I play basketball in college, I coached basketball for 20 years. So when I found out I was having a boy, I was like, Oh, I was I had already given him this life that I thought he was gonna have I was ready to be a little bit best team member, I'm a coach, I'm an athlete, I get it. I knew I would know how to interact with a coach, I would just know everything would be great at that. And not that the diagnosis meant that that dream was gone. But I just didn't know for me. Not you know, even though I wasn't educated, just not knowing what everything could turn out to be had to give that dream up kind of almost kind of like grieving the life that I thought I was going to have. And it literally felt like like grief, because I had already had his first 10 years of life mapped out. While there was nothing of my first dreams.
I couldn't have dreamed of what he's been to me so far. So with all the struggles, all of the repetitiveness all of the unknown still trying to figure it out, has become a blessing in that sense in some of my perspective on you know, being around with parents without have children without disabilities. Sometimes I take for granted just little things. And just yesterday, I sat at the table talking to one of my friends, kids, and they just sat down, I was just watching them laugh with each other. And I was like, don't take that moment for granted of just sitting there joking on each other because my son and I don't have that conversation. So this routine and casual for you, but that's, that's another person's dream. So you know, sometimes still become jealous at times, but I do know, felt like my son was designed for me all in the same sense. I don't, I feel like nobody else could be. He couldn't go to anybody else he had to be for me, again, filled with ups and downs as it is, but I am grateful and thankful for the experience nonetheless,
Chad Ratliffe 15:41
you said you shared the journey. And it's such a beautiful way. And I'm sure there's people listening right now who are kind of still in the heart of the NGS just got the diagnosis, just had their heartbroken for the week straight. And I remember, I mean, I couldn't see the grounded place where you are now, you know, because it just seemed like life was gonna be chaotic and depressing. Forever. How does that process evolved? Like, what do we say to these other parents that just had their life taken from them? I'm into basketball, too. So like, what do we how do we help them know that a beautiful story is going to unfold?
Tiffany Johnson 16:31
I think the first thing I had to do was let go of the story I had written for him and for myself. Um, so as long as that barrier of perspective was in the way of what my reality was, there was always going to be a battle. And so you have all of these pictures and of how even just being a parent should be in there's no script for any kind of child of another's parenting books everywhere, but you can read all the books on the world and still get it wrong. And so, for me, the very first thing I had to do was let go of everything I thought it was gonna be. And just take the day, the moment the experience for what it was in that moment, and not have expectations of what I think he should do, or what I think I should do, and just act on the best thing I know to do in the moment. If that was wrong, were no, my son and I were both in a learning experience of learning this new world for us.
So in creating the space over time for me to learn, and not taking in that conference perspective, I should already know, because anytime I felt like I should already know something, couldn't make it happen. That's when my emotions were heavy. And just, again, not meeting my own expectations, all expectations, I jumped up thinking that other people should have for me, but when I just stopped and let all of the forecasting of what I think shouldn't happen, and just stop and be in those moments with my son has allowed me to appreciate just a single second of no meltdown, like, Okay, this is going well or okay, we're in a meltdown, let's, let's figure this one out, cannot cannot even figure out where this one came from and start to figure those things out. So giving myself grace and space, no matter how much somebody else it is, okay, so Right. Inside I was that range of emotions, angry, upset, crying, I think I was probably depressed for a year and a half, in that not knowing it. But when I just stopped and said like, nobody knows the right answer to this. There's no, there's just what we do. When we do it. As long as you know is done with love and safety and care. However it goes releasing myself from the outcome it just in the moment, what do I think needs to happen?
Chad Ratliffe 19:03
Were you ever able to find support through this? I know you said that you have loved ones but have you? Did you ever find any support through the years?
Tiffany Johnson 19:15
Yes. What? I have a friend we've become good friends. She was a teacher at the school with me and her son prior to me being pregnant coaching basketball. He was one of the boys basketball managers. His name was Josh and he was so cool. And I just loved her interaction with him and always wondered like, how did you how did you do it? And then she was still there when I had my son and she became a confidant for me just when I didn't know in those moments, what to do and how did you get through it? How did you have the conversation with with family members? She was very, very, very instrumental. I don't even know if she knows that, honestly, but she was very instrumental in me being able to be honest about what I was feeling.
Um, in that Having to sugarcoat it or you put on the face because as a parent, you feel like you're not supposed to feel bad about parenting or even questioning. Should I have even had? Like, can I even do this? She was very instrumental in me having someone who shared an experience of having a child with a disability. She's become a confidant for me. And then I do have some friends who were just, I'm in it with you, you don't know, we don't know. And there's no judgment. Well, thank you for having that you still feel it? No matter people say it. But you feel that judgment when your places but I did have some friends were truly felt like I could be honest.
And say that I don't know what I'm doing in this moment of struggling, and they wouldn't be there. And my parents have been amazing as well. The parents support groups that were around where I don't know how to explain it, were authentic. To me, I felt like they were people who wanted to participate to say they held the group, not necessarily really trying to share experiences, they were giving out the basic information about where you were, or else you could go to get help. So I didn't really feel as comfortable as I did with some of the other parents who I just had acquaintances with, um, through the school.
Chad Ratliffe 21:22
Nice, have you? You know, one of the topics that we wanted to touch on was, is there a way to connect our neurodiverse kids with typical kids out there? Because a lot of times, my special needs kids are kind of isolated, you know, they're not getting invited to the birthdays and the groups that are getting together. Have you ever figured out? Have you ever been able to get your son connected with other people? Other kids?
Tiffany Johnson 21:50
Yes, there are some things that I have, incidentally, found out that work, I would, we had a birthday party for him here and invited some friends and my son was complaining how cold the water was, he couldn't take it. The other kids, it's not even that cold. All you have to do is is that. And so I had a little kiddie pools, and I put a whole bunch of ice in the pool has cooler ice, and I said, Now I'm getting that water. I'm not getting there. Why? Because that's too cold. So yes, that is how the water feels to gather. But it's not like what it is. I'm telling you the ice is not that you saw me put ice in there. But I'm telling you, it's not that cold. Why do you believe it is? Because it it after? Okay, well, what you know, so doing some of those things to help them understand it's not just based off your judgment? Yes, extrasensory. So no one would use superhero kind of things for some of the kids to explain.
So that was one instance where I started thinking, Oh, well, maybe, how can I immerse other kids and some of his sensory type issues? And so I would do things I would ask is, what what are they scared of? What don't they like? So what if that was the only thing here? That was? Why would it come? Okay, so for Gavin, this experience feels like that. We don't want him to feel like that, well, then I would kind of show them some things they could do, you know, not being too loud. Or I would turn the radio and try to talk to them, and I can't hear you. When there's other sounds around. That's what he's experiencing.
So if this was you, how would you communicate and making them be creative? Of how do you think you can talk to Gavin even though he has his headphones on? Like, what can you do to you know, so doing some of those immersive things, helped in the case, kind of treated it like a game somewhat. And so Gavin like them, trying to communicate with him. And I found him sometimes saying he couldn't hear them when he could just to make them do other things. So that he became excited to interact and then explaining to them, I have a like, phrase I use. And then we have autism awareness, and we have acceptance. So I do awareness, acceptance, understanding and then empower.
So yes, you know, we do have to be aware that just because you know, something's there doesn't mean you have to do anything with it. Just because you accept it doesn't mean there has to be any interaction as well. But I'm getting them to understand it and then how can we empower given that how can you be empowered to interact? So I've done little things in classrooms and with some of my kids friends about immersing them in what Gavin may feel are other kids with autism and how their sensories feel that we use a pillow to explain pain. You know, we're Gavin doesn't respond to pain or like, I have to really check to see if he's hurt because he won't. He's he has flipped off of the hoverboard and not one tear and I see blood and I see. And so you know, kids are looking at him like He's not crying. Those are some of the sensory things, you know to talk about. So oh, he's a pillow. No, hit the pillow exactly hit the pillow this heart. And Gavin may not feel that. So but that doesn't mean you should hit gapen as it is a pillow still dented.
Yes, just so Gavin still gets injured. But he may not feel it the same way for you know, doing little things of tickling them when he's really not ticklish. So the difference in sensories, things like that. But that has worked in my circle in my classrooms, just because I have the relationship with the kids to be able to play with them. And they do care about Gavin in that sense. I still have you know, those fears, though, of when he's, he's in eighth grade, and everybody doesn't care to accept the aware or understand. So those fears are still there. I haven't cracked the complete code. But just a couple of things that I've tried to do to immerse them with the kids that are close to them great
Chad Ratliffe 25:59
ideas, I love that the listeners know that I usually ask for a favorite quote I and I personally identify with yours changes inevitable growth is a choice. Can you tell us a little bit about what that means to you, or why that inspires you?
Tiffany Johnson 26:18
Yes, especially the change of one having a child with autism, and he's going to change life is going to change and you can keep trying to hang on to him and fight that battle and which is a losing battle. Or you can adapt and grow with it. And so what has helped is every time he changes, okay, this is something new, I have to change, I have to change to stop trying to hold on to how it used to be, because it seems like bright when you have a routine, okay? He likes this fool.
Okay, so I buy at boxes of this food, then all of a sudden, that I don't want it anymore, you like I have 500 boxes of Fruity Pebbles back here. So just, you know, understanding that it's about growth and getting better with it. And growth doesn't always feel good. So it's the reminder that growth is uncomfortable. But you can choose your heart, you can try and you know, be hard staying the same where you can do the hard work to change and adapt. So I use that everywhere with my athletes, my perspective on dealing with autism and just in general.
Chad Ratliffe 27:26
You know, I know that I know that playing the victim doesn't get anyone anywhere. And and I know that from personal experience, but there's just sometimes you know, as a single parent, see, that married couple over there. You see the kids doing these things as you're going home to your house, you know, kind of by yourself like, how do you care for yourself? How do you get the strength to not go to that place?
Tiffany Johnson 27:58
Um, that is something that I'll be honest kind of hits me in waves in one season of life. It's like, okay, just got to deal with it. You keep moving within the other season. Looking around. Right now, what has worried me in that sense is gamma is an only child, I'm a single parent. If something happens to me, yes, my family will take care of him, but he won't have me. So it's where I see other families that have multiple kids, they can take care of each other and they'll they'll have have Greg, I don't know if I'll ever be a grandparent or even you know, I don't, I am careful not to cut things off and in my belief, but just honestly having a higher spiritual belief to fall on that things are the way they are.
And it does get heavy and dancing in you question why me? Why my son? What did I do? How am I gonna get through it? But I think when I start to just think about myself, I think that's kind of when it gets heavy. But when I think about is Gavin happy, he's happy right now, and stepping outside of just me in thinking about him and am I doing everything within my power? And if I'm doing everything within my power, there's nothing else I can really do then having to be okay with the gift did I give 100? The answer is yes. I just have to, you know, pray have faith that that outcome is going to be something safe, successful, fun, happy, all those other outcomes that we want. But it does get hard to shake off the victim sometimes because it every stage there's another reminder that Gavin is not where other people are not in the same situation as other parents. And again, my spiritual faith is honestly where I go to stay above that.
Chad Ratliffe 30:00
Love that. What do we need to do? What can we do to make create a better world for? Like one in 50? Kids are born on the spectrum? I mean, I know all the support that my kids need. If, if too many more come I mean, I already know teachers are underpaid, there's not enough of like, what do we have to do to? What do we need to be working on?
Tiffany Johnson 30:25
I think, more voices in that that's a very, very great, great question, more more voices and more stands on what do we need, because it's hard in the sense of the spectrum, because there's so many various needs, from one end to the other. There's a legislative piece that we need to definitely tackle, to make sure to flip the perspective of making our kids adapt to the world around us when the world around them needs to adapt to who they are, and painting a better picture of what that adaptation looks like. I think there's been some movement in in sensory rooms, things in different in airports and churches and various places, but not enough.
So I think there have to be more honestly people without not just the parents that are in the experience, but having people that support our fight with us that join in on making things happen. And making the world around us have those adaptations for our kids, and continue to be more vocal. And I feel like with autism, there are a lot of different foundations and avenues and websites. If we could collectively decide or you know, find, it seems like the there's various ones that don't necessarily want to mention any but there always be well, their motive is this they use this symbol or their motive is they just want money, or what can we collectively do and who can we collectively get behind I think as long as there's so many different people or organizations that appear to be for profit or just for show that it makes it hard for just parents to fight for what we want, honestly don't have a solution.
All I can say is from my standpoint, continue to be vocal, continue to grab those around me and have them understand my experience. I'm not an expert in autism just to expert in my experience of it, continue to share it and platforms like the one we have here and get it out there. So people can hear from our perspective, not just for parents that are in it. But if you love somebody with autism, if somebody next to you, you know has a child with a disability being involved in that nature.
Chad Ratliffe 32:46
That's awesome. I know how busy parents raising just parents are, let alone special needs. And so just taking the time to be really see you as part of the solution, I see you as putting in the effort to create a better world. And I thank you for that. I think we have to do that. And you know, we're not always going to be here. And we hope our kids is going to be here longer than we are right and and like you said, Who's going to how we're going to make sure that that situation is a good one. We do like just to get more of your experience kind of like a lightning round where you give like one word to one sentence answers to a few questions to some more questions. Are you up for trying it?
Tiffany Johnson 33:29
So there's no All right.
Chad Ratliffe 33:31
What's the best advice you've
Tiffany Johnson 33:33
received? Me the change? You want to see?
Chad Ratliffe 33:36
What kind of course or retreat or training would you like to see for parents?
Tiffany Johnson 33:41
I think I would like to see more training for parents without kids with disabilities. I think there's Yes, we go to training on you know how to provide services support for our kids, but more so when you don't have them watch their training. Interesting.
Chad Ratliffe 33:56
I had that one before. What's the next thing on your list that you want to add for your individual? Well being
Tiffany Johnson 34:04
two things definitely need to work out more I am embarrassed at this point is I'm a former athlete. Workout More and just so that I am healthy for Gavin again, I'm pretty much all he has. So I need to take that more seriously and take my health more seriously and finish the book that I have started about. I have lessons, lessons learned by loving my son with autism. So I've started it and I need to finish that.
Chad Ratliffe 34:29
Awesome. I look forward to reading it. What's one thing you think would improve your life if you did it or had it? Freedom? That's a tough one. I love it. I love it. I all you can do is laugh sometimes. Jimmy Buffett said if we couldn't laugh, we'd all go insane and I identify with that idea of a favorite product that you use for yourself or your child that you just love and couldn't live without. We heard Chick fil A out One
Tiffany Johnson 35:01
stays between Chick fil A and taco shell to each AAA and tacos, literally every day for the past like three years. So at this point, neither my son nor I can live without it.
Chad Ratliffe 35:15
Right on right on? Do you have a top resource or recommendation to share with other parents?
Tiffany Johnson 35:21
To be honest, I don't haven't found the one of just researched and been able to pull different things from different people. I think platforms like this, to meet to honest coming from parents and people in the experience versus websites and other things. Anything that involved are the parents.
Chad Ratliffe 35:39
Nice. So I know you have a passion for helping other parents have you? Are you turning that into kind of a full time career? Or are you just is that just something that you're passionate about doing what
Tiffany Johnson 35:53
I'm not trying to not yet if it no turns into that I would, that would be maybe a piece of the freedom being there. But as of now, it's just something that I take the opportunity to do intently. When I'm even sharing Gavin's we do pizza tours, just showing the fun parts of having a child with a disability is kind of what I want to do, because we're very aware of the struggles. But I don't, I haven't seen personally, enough of the celebrations and the cool things that happened by having a child disability. So that's really what I want to highlight as well.
Chad Ratliffe 36:33
Awesome. I've loved our conversation, I appreciate you taking the time to be with us. I learned a lot. And I think you left a lot of nuggets for the listeners just kind of in closing to that to the parent who's doesn't think they're enough, they don't think they're going to be able to pull this off. They don't see the light anywhere. They they think that you have something figured out but it doesn't look like that for them. What do you what do you say to them in closing,
Tiffany Johnson 37:04
don't stop reaching out, you're not isolated, no matter how tight or dark, heavy. That box feels, you're not by yourself, your mind is going to tell you that the you may feel like that, but you're not by yourself continue to reach out to whether it be social media, some if there are no there are hotlines and things that you can call, but continue to reach out, especially when you're at your breaking point. And those breaking points are multiple points they come and so you're not by yourself. And yes, it can and will get better. It's just that you're so far in the hole in a tunnel in the box. He's just can't find that, like what is there? Um, but if you stay where you are, you'll never find it. But just keep moving. Just keep moving.
Chad Ratliffe 37:54
I love that. Tiffany, thank you. It's been a pleasure to to meet you. Maybe one day we'll be in Atlanta for Alliance Falcons. Or something like that. Wouldn't that be insane?
Tiffany Johnson 38:08
There'll be a Super Bowl and single blows at first.
Chad Ratliffe 38:11
Yeah. But thank you. I've enjoyed this. And I appreciate you reminding the listeners about how dangerous the the mind can be. I wish I just could like turn mine off. Yes, not even have it as a part of the package. But thank you. And I hope we could stay connected. And I'd love to hear about the book when it's ready to come out. Maybe we can do another show. Get an update and hear about the book,
Tiffany Johnson 38:38
for sure. And thank you so much. All right. Have a
Chad Ratliffe 38:41
wonderful rest of your day and tell Gavin we wish Bon appetit.
Tiffany Johnson 38:48
Thank you so much.
Chad Ratliffe 38:49
All right. Bye bye.
38:53
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